Samurai Warlords patch 0904 - 17 august 2008 (tiny one)

Tomi is already advertsing a release, and advertising this forum as well at Org.


you are correct, both guard types beat naginata (see below for why)
KGP beat wm's
KGS are about 60/40 over wm's (BUT i do not think that is ahistorical)

SO i still propose
up the guards cost to 1100k, add +1 morale, promote them to Yuan Guard (and make 2 new korean units)
ALSO Swords get a shield reduction from Large to Small
& Pole's lose the shield altogether.
AND
Naginata lose 1 ARMOUR point (that what kills them, fatigue - 4 ARM brings them down from heavy to normal)
PLUS the lost armour point goes into defence, bringing them up to 7 defence
(AND that also boosts them against ArmourPiercing by a full point)

Naginata cavalry are actually historicaly accurate, i have seen displays showing how the rider would lean forward over the horses head and "sweep" in front of the horse as well as around in mellee,

I'd like to keep them, i'd like to give them AP and see how they go,
MAYBE they can be part of the counter to the "Yuan Guard"??
you dont want NagCav to be good anti > MHC / YIHC? then we coudl give NagCav a cav attack penalty, say -2 when attacking cav for starters. (and see how they go).

remember we still have Afraid Of (-4 when striker fears target) (+2 target fears striker),
(which cumulates to a -2 att)
we can make 2 units afraid of EACH OTHER, meaning the penalty only applies when those two units duel.

barocca wrote:Tomi is already advertsing a release, and advertising this forum as well at Org.

Advertising is good, like at local cinema.....COMING SOON. Gets the people interested, wondering and waiting with anticipation.

Tomi is already advertsing a release, and advertising this forum as well at Org.

Not a “release”, just intended to respond to R’as, and then do a bit of chumming to see if any one showed.

Development is near complete, but need your help to insure all is correct in the final version.

No one did. In fact, after years of playing together I am being (effectively) shunned by others of the previous SW community (I believe it is for my involvement here). No great loss I guess (sad).

I removed the links and signature, just in case my efforts were "misunderstood" by anyone else. Not a problem, and won’t do it again.

The really sad part is that there was not a single inquiry on any level, pro or con (there has always been one or two).

aw heck, i'd like to give them a release to critique,
so we can see what they're thinking.

in the meantime i would not worry about lack of interest, half the problem is new graphics cards wont run medieval,
i have been tinkering with various settings, to no avail,
and while i can find a card emulator, that will allow you to run newer games on older graphics cards (3d-analyze)
i cannot seem to make that software work in reverse (which technically it should do)

have not had time to run keshig tests yet,
will try if i wake up early, or when home from work.

comments on my other proposed alterations??

^Kazemoto^ wrote:I removed the links and signature, just in case my efforts were "misunderstood" by anyone else. Not a problem, and won’t do it again.

The really sad part is that there was not a single inquiry on any level, pro or con (there has always been one or two).

I don't think there was any misunderstanding on our part. In fact it was a good idea.

I think it would be better to leave your sig and links on .org. Removing them would be like admitting defeat.
Why worry what other people think? You are entitled to your opinion the same as anyone else.
It isn't as if you were 'flaming' anyone or anything.
Mizu did enough advertising in many topics to proclaim Sam Wars and how it had been improved/balanced.

Right.....this is not intended to be a sermon....

I detect an element of stress and frustration creeping into the recent posts...and it's hardly surprising. Testing and retesting has always introduced a few niggles and it always will, as people have their opinions. Finding common ground can be quite hard at times, even among like minded people.
So....if my responses come over as being critical, unhelpful or otherwise, be assured..THEY ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE.
I am passionate about the inclusion of Mongols in this mod, I've waited years to see them and I want them to be competitive (in a different way) but not over powered and definitely not underpowered.
I have always maintained that they can be added and balanced, my idea of balance is not the every unit has a counter unit approach, strengths and weaknesses can be shuffled so they provide balanced gameplay. As to the discussion of Korean/Yuan infantry, I am/was still in the Korean infantry mode -because Yuan had not yet been finished- and still looking for the solution to Korean Guard and Korean Sword. I envisaged a Sword unit that was just weaker than Nodachi and a Guard that was just weaker than Naginata, at costs of 600 and 700.
With the performance of the Guard, it was obviously too good, but it fitted the Yuan Imperial Guard, which is why I suggested renaming it. With the Sword doing even better, I was more inclined to weaken it and still keep it as Korean or we would see Koreans presence reduced to just three units.
This latest development, moving both units into Yuan Imperial role and cost is a good idea. The 1100 price tag seems fair but I still think one should be cheaper than the other, 1100/1000 perhaps? Anyway, it's the best solution and it keeps the same unit type, same sprite appearance.
The replacement Korean units, can different weapons be given to the MI Korean sprites? I'm thinking unit recognition on the field. We do need both the weak/cheap and strong/expensive units though, to allow the Mongols a cav heavy or inf heavy choice.
We do need to have a good look at the cav match ups as well, is there a noticeable superiority with Mongols?
R'as was far too negative in my opinion and I think he should remember how long it took to balance the samurai. Guageing unit balance with the armies I was selecting, I could see that there were only a few tweaks needed here and there for a fair balance, (I avoided the swords) what you've suggested now should help achieve that.
Oh, and I think you can be assured it's already been looked at.

Kazemoto,
Nobody has a problem with you advertising, don't think that. Chumming the water usually gets a response, I agree and I was disappointed there was none too. We all know how much you've done for the TW community and the Warlords Campaign and mod especially. If you are being treated this way it's very childish and very sad and you don't deserve it.

We should now stop and think how much has been achieved so far, it's quite a lot. We've been limited by lack of bodies for testing so we are doing quite well I reckon. Marcus will be back soon which will help a lot.

On 0904....
Has anyone noticed, with the Shimazu units, as they get killed they turn over and their outer garment changes to..BLUE..similar colour to the horse trappings??

I've run a few tests and this seems to be the only faction that it happens to.

Thanks for the support

Put the signature back, and link here (you never know who might be interested).

But please understand, I also caught myself in this

That is, going against what I had said about premature exposures.

I think bread crumbs are ok (leading back here), and holding up the “Mongols are coming!!!” banner (nice one B).

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1994613&postcount=44

But any direct links to files that are still being worked on, and even maps that will be part of "the release”, should probably not be posted anywhere but here.

Until that day, that is

i made factions multicoloured and tried to contrast the colours to display patterns on shields (if you choose mongols)

it is worrying, i will look through the dead page and maybe pick a different corpse

btw

I noticed the screen shot on the org forum, wicked black HA ponies
Nice.
Have you had any luck with the Keshig? I changed preferred number of rows to 3, same as the Hatamoto but it still fragments.

Keshig are fixed, i still dont know what factor caused the glitch, but the unit's working now

i'll make some korean inf's as the week progresses

I have now tested all clan factions...(tests conducted with one faction being Mongol.)
More units showing the change of colour when dead.
ODA.............orange
MORI............blue
TAKEDA........red
HOSOKAWA...green

Perhaps it may not be possible to get all colours correct.

Updated Edit:..Tested without selecting a mongol faction and the colour changes are still the same.