Re: General chat

**barocca** on Wed 17 Sep 2008, 04:23

for an unexplained reason i have been dismissed with no notice or warning from the org staff,
i am not impressed,
i believe little in coincidence.
B.

**^HUN^** on Wed 17 Sep 2008, 14:37

What??!!
I noticed for a while that you were 'moderator' as opposed to 'admin' and that made me wonder, this development just goes to show how pathetically childish people can be.
Little wonder the MP community left .org en masse.

**^Marcus Cornelius^** on Wed 17 Sep 2008, 15:13

So sad.

I cannot believe that the reason was what you are thinking. Surely misunderstanding.

Marcus

**^Glyndwr^** on Wed 17 Sep 2008, 18:59

barocca wrote:for an unexplained reason i have been dismissed with no notice or warning from the org staff,
i am not impressed,

Where is the etiquette and honourable actions of a group, where a member of staff can be dismissed without first being given a warning and reason why?
Nowhere on the .org have I seen anything that you have done that can warrant this dismissal.
If it is a case of 'sour grapes' then the least they could have done is warn you.

I had already noticed for some time that you had been relegated from Admin to Moderator.

As a past Administrator of an organisation, I had to have a good reason before a moderator was 'demoted' and then only after that person had been warned about the reason why this action would be taken and given the chance to correct it.

**^Glyndwr^** on Wed 17 Sep 2008, 19:10

Admin edit:-I have split this topic to keep it separate from the beta discussions. Wink

**^Kazemoto^** on Thu 18 Sep 2008, 11:14

barocca wrote:for an unexplained reason i have been dismissed with no notice or warning from the org staff,
i am not impressed,
i believe little in coincidence.
B.

Unfortunately, this sounds too familiar.

I am seriously considering removing The Code of Honor from the Org forums.

They seem to have no use for it!

**^HUN^** on Tue 07 Oct 2008, 16:10

I just read your last post on the bORG. Are you seriously saying that your sacking/demotion was following a discussion with Takiyama members as a direct response to adding Mongols to the mod they liked to claim as their own?

I remember well all the underhanded nonsense that went on during the Tera incident. Frankly, if you play with fire you sometimes get burned...and Tera did. It was his own fault, no good having a go at the Wolves or certain individuals, he got caught and was exposed. A certain moderator resigned from the bORG until Kuma resigned as admin (he didn't seem to have any support) Surprise, surprise, suddenly the same moderator reappears as admin and starts abusing his power by handing out posting bans to selected members. There were many heated posts, yet 'clannies' and 'friends' got away with it while others didn't. Here we go again.
It seems Takiyama like to be in control, they chased away nearly every MP player. The fact that the SamWars forum has become a ghost town and now this, proves there is no coincidence.
The laughable part is the lack of individual thought. They all walk on the say so of one or two? What a bunch of children.

Kazemoto,
I don't think you will find a code of honour in a nest of rats, just a bad smell. The bORG has reared its ugly head again.

There is a funny side......None of them even play Total War.

**^Glyndwr^** on Tue 07 Oct 2008, 19:39

^HUN^ wrote:It seems Takiyama like to be in control, they chased away nearly every MP player. The fact that the SamWars forum has become a ghost town and now this, proves there is no coincidence.
The laughable part is the lack of individual thought. They all walk on the say so of one or two? What a bunch of children.

The old school kids saying...it's my ball and you can't play.

^HUN^ wrote:There is a funny side......None of them even play Total War.

Unfortunately that is not a funny side. They are determined to spoil MP for everyone unless it's played their way.

^Kazemoto^ wrote:Unfortunately, this sounds too familiar.

I am seriously considering removing The Code of Honor from the Org forums.

They seem to have no use for it!

Unfortunately it is just 'the few' ^Kazemoto^ but, as the old saying goes....it only takes one bad apple to rot the whole barrel.

**CBR** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 03:34

This might already be at a point of no return but I cannot sit idle anymore while watching all this hostility go on.

May I point out that if Takiyama/mizus/"the others" where so interested in having control, then why the hell did "we" then leave this mod so quietly. Some of us simply left as we, for various reasons, did not want to play anymore.

Those of us who no longer play are obviously no longer posting in the samwars forum and the rest moved on to this forum months ago. So is it any surprise that there is no activity on the Org forum anymore? Are "we" now to be blamed for that too? No one forced you to move to this forum.

Why assume it was lack of individual thought? Because people didnt actually say they were not interested anymore? I don't recall anyone sending me a PM or MSN asking me about it. No its much better to migrate to another forum and fantasize about why. I see lots of snide remarks and paranoia on this forum and it is actually rather painful for me to read it and then remembering we actually were clan mates and had lots of fun together not that long ago. Or maybe all that fun is just something I imagined?

Oh and having an undercover account used for remarks like "static" and "soapbox discussions" about the opinions of other players is hardly the most honourable thing. But ok I guess we all live by an individual definition of honour.

But let me end this post by showing my gratitude to Barocca for making SamWars possible. Without all your work I would not have had the best Total War MP that I experienced with beta5. It certainly helped lighten my mood back in the dark days of RTW beta 1.2 testing. It was a good 3 1/2 years and was fun while it lasted but everything has an end.

ht_bow

CBR

**barocca** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 08:24

seeing i am being pursued and attacked here i will defend myself here also,

at the Org i made no direct or indirect attacks against anyone, i flamed no-one, insulted no-one,
i did not mention clans or names,
in fact i did nothing that could even earn a cautionary "zero point" warning, let alone a points warning

of the handful of posts i have made from my worksite account the worst post read "the mod has been fixed, yet now this forum falls silent?" or words to that effect

to be dismissed from my post without even being told that i was being dismissed, without being asked to respond or address anything at all, and then to be completely ignored until i went public - for THAT? - the truth reveals itself.

that posts of that obviously disgraceful language were deleted Before i was asked to respond to them brings into serious doubt the neutrality of the decision to remove me from my position.

No Doubt they could be reinserted into the threads concerned, but seeing the admin's neutrality has been compromised and the admin has the capability to edit anything on that forum i would really think twice about the validity of reinserted or revealed content.

ht_bow

**CBR** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 12:40

I'm sorry if you feel me coming here means I'm pursuing and attacking you.

The deleted post from July 10th containing the following "is it that some just dont want mongols? ...at least your thread is not getting filled with "static" "

With so few posting in the samwars forum how could you think such a comment, even without mentioning any names, is ok? Now apparently it is ok within the rules to have multiple accounts but I certainly was shocked to hear it was you behind such comments. And as moderator you agreed with the rules incl the "dodgy undercover accounts" bit.

Now I do not know why Tosa has not been more informative and I have urged him to tell you, as I could see the paranoia just run even more wild with all the speculation. Apparently he saw little point in it and found reading some of the posts here depressing.

CBR

**^Glyndwr^** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 12:50

Hello CBR and welcome to the ^Nomad Alliance^
and I do mean Welcome.

CBR wrote:May I point out that if Takiyama/mizus/"the others" where so interested in having control, then why the hell did "we" then leave this mod so quietly. Some of us simply left as we, for various reasons, did not want to play anymore.

To me it seemed a coincidence that you all left off playing when barocca wanted to re activate The Mongols.
There were other disagreements over game play as well.

CBR wrote:Those of us who no longer play are obviously no longer posting in the samwars forum and the rest moved on to this forum months ago. So is it any surprise that there is no activity on the Org forum anymore? Are "we" now to be blamed for that too? No one forced you to move to this forum.

If by this you are referring to HUN, Marcus and myself I have to correct you on this. This forum was set up in Sept 2005 just before BI when the then Orda, Marcus and Jochi Khan were playing RTW. Takiyama did not move over to RTW so we went out on our own.

CBR wrote: I see lots of snide remarks and paranoia on this forum and it is actually rather painful for me to read it and then remembering we actually were clan mates and had lots of fun together not that long ago. Or maybe all that fun is just something I imagined?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and allowed to express it on this forum as long as it is kept within the rules. The written word is not always read the same way by each and every person. Can you enlarge on this comment..snide remarks and paranoia?

CBR wrote:Oh and having an undercover account used for remarks like "static" and "soapbox discussions" about the opinions of other players is hardly the most honourable thing.

Who is using an undercover account?

Admin Edit: Some questions already answered because you posted as I was typing this post.

**barocca** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 14:37

and thats it?
the static comment?
of for $hits sake, thats not even worth a mention, it was stating the bleeding obvious and again not even a zero pointer. EVEN if i had NAMED NAMES in my moderator suit it's not worth a mention.

i have SEEN moderators SWEARING IN CLEAR at patrons and all they got was a rap on the knuckles, not deleted,
that they claim i am being punished for the static comment is even more ridiculous than for the "forum falls silent" comment,
at least "falls silent" could be considered a barb by an insecure paranoid, the static one could not.

ALSO You do realise that you have just confirmed that i am being punished for commentary OFF SITE,
and not for something i have done at the org.
read your post again my friend...

finally there is nothing dodgy about my worksite account, Tosa has known all about that account since it's creation, if such was a problem then he should have spoken up long ago.

CBR wrote:I'm sorry if you feel me coming here means I'm pursuing and attacking you.

The deleted post from July 10th containing the following "is it that some just dont want mongols? ...at least your thread is not getting filled with "static" "

With so few posting in the samwars forum how could you think such a comment, even without mentioning any names, is ok? Now apparently it is ok within the rules to have multiple accounts but I certainly was shocked to hear it was you behind such comments. And as moderator you agreed with the rules incl the "dodgy undercover accounts" bit.

Now I do not know why Tosa has not been more informative and I have urged him to tell you, as I could see the paranoia just run even more wild with all the speculation. Apparently he saw little point in it and found reading some of the posts here depressing.

CBR

**CBR** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 15:18

I am not saying this is the only thing, only what I know at this moment. Having extra accounts is not the problem, it is how they were used

And what did I confirm? Tosa expressed his opinion on reading this forum on Sep 21. He notified me about your multiple accounts on Sep 7. Saying it was not the first time and thats it's been enough. I wish Tosa would provide more details but so far that is all.

CBR

**^HUN^** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 16:06

Call it what you will, snide, paranoid, flaming, I stand by every word. If that pains you it is something I can do little about.
You know all too well that I quit Takiyama long before RTW appeared on the shelves, that sorry episode with a certain clan infiltrator finished any looks I had on your clan. I found out exactly what my so called clan leader thought of me, he preferred to side with an obvious infiltrator and you chose to sit on the fence. Nobody seemed to care if these decisions pained me, did they?

Your clan leader was able to get away with a multitude of Troll posts without being pulled up for breaking rules. During past altercations he removed all his post content, so I'm not even interested in forum rule breaking. All I see are double standards and frankly, it's a joke.

CBR, your clan leader posted that he was "not interested in degraded gameplay". Apart from the unashamed arrogance of that remark, would you not take that and the cessation of Troll/promotive posts as an obvious sign? I'm not fantasizing about anything, I think you will recall you were invited to help with testing and we...that's you me and yuuki discussed it on MSN, so please, don't make out it was never mentioned. For quite some time we posted about test nights and had no response. You mention honourable behaviour, would it have been too much trouble to post that you were not interested? The abrupt silence leaves only one conclusion.

I remember reading posts by the v1.02 beta team, not exactly depressing but they were certainly eye opening.

Before I close I'll ask you to reflect. Yes, we had some fun and for the most part with mods for VI. I particularly enjoyed your Community mod but getting a group of players to play mods can be hard work. Considering the players who went to the trouble of installing and playing these mods, I find it disappointing that Takiyama especially, are so loathed to reciprocate.