Re: General chat

**barocca** on Wed 17 Sep 2008, 04:23

First topic message reminder :

for an unexplained reason i have been dismissed with no notice or warning from the org staff,
i am not impressed,
i believe little in coincidence.
B.

**CBR** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 17:37

^Glyndwr^ wrote:Hello CBR and welcome to the ^Nomad Alliance^
and I do mean Welcome.

Thank you

To me it seemed a coincidence that you all left off playing when barocca wanted to re activate The Mongols.
There were other disagreements over game play as well.

Well I cant really speak for everyone but if I must give details then so be it.

Both Yuuki and I became less interested in playing already during the spring, as a few of the new players simply ruined game after game by what seemed to be lack of skill and/or interest in playing properly. One even stated he did not like spears which afterall is an important component in SamWars gameplay. Early spring was also the time when we started playing on both Saturday and Sunday. I did have whole weekends with not one good game.

Then came the summer break with EURO2008 and after that I found myself with even less interest in playing. That and the addition of the Mongols, which I did not see as an improvement to the great gameplay we had created, a Beta8 that worked again but also meant very few maps to play on, and having new stats to test which meant less even less fun for me. After participating in a few tests that showed Beta8 to work ok, it just felt best for me to stop.

I did have a chat with Orda on July 12 about my lack of interest in the game and about how some of the players were ruining it for me.

I think it is overall very similar for Yuuki with the following comment from Yuuki on MSN also from July 12:
12-07-2008 13:59:20 and receptonist calls my posts "static"
12-07-2008 13:59:30 the beginning of driving me out
12-07-2008 13:59:48 I'm not going to fight this.
12-07-2008 13:59:57 I'll do something else

Please note I'm not happy about quoting people from MSN talks but in this case I think it is appropriate.

So did the Mongols play a role? Same role as the last nail in the coffin yes.

Ras has been rather busy being in NZ during all this time. I know he was not happy with the stats he was testing back in mid August. And it seemed he simply wanted to let go too.

Tosa seems to have been quite busy for months now. I only spoke with him about the direction of the mod on Aug 17 and I guess with us not playing he had less interest too. Of course at that time he already knew about the discussions here so I'm sure those "who do not believe in coincidences" can add 2 and 2 together... scratch

That should sum it up for "the others" as the way I see it and know about.

If by this you are referring to HUN, Marcus and myself I have to correct you on this. This forum was set up in Sept 2005 just before BI when the then Orda, Marcus and Jochi Khan were playing RTW. Takiyama did not move over to RTW so we went out on our own.

What I meant was how the Samwars discussion moved to this place instead. It seems it happened in July which is same time as it died out on Org.

Can you enlarge on this comment..snide remarks and paranoia?

Stuff like

"the others"

"the screenshot comp was rigged. i do not believe in coincidences."

merely i think THey try to get things too "sweet", unlike us THey have an "ideal" method of game play (being "Takeda Gun Wall") and they have rigged the stats to suit the "ideal",,

I think it would be better to leave your sig and links on .org. Removing them would be like admitting defeat

But you might be right. Written words can be understood in different ways.

I can see Orda has responded and I will answer that later today.

CBR

**BHCKingWarman88** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 19:19

My turn to comment Twisted Evil

Both Yuuki and I became less interested in playing already during the spring, as a few of the new players simply ruined game after game by what seemed to be lack of skill and/or interest in playing properly.

I thought the game was supposed to be play for fun CBR? scratch

Also, you think all the players, including myself, that was not up to Clan Takiyama's skill level or any other's player's skill level (the better ones), that you guys are going to ignore them and quit over it? Yes, Real Nice scratch

the screenshot comp was rigged.

No. I closed it to early, my damn mistake, made me look like a fool.

i do not believe in coincidences

Nethier do I Barocca. I got screwed eariler in the year also by TosaInu.

i have SEEN moderators SWEARING IN CLEAR at patrons

And I have seen people who should not be Moderators....Become AM's and/or Mods. And I seen people who should be Mods, who are not now because of things liek this (like you or me).

I believe that this is sad. I never had anything aganist barocca, and if he is getting booted because of this, it is a shame.

**^HUN^** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 22:29

Ras has been rather busy being in NZ during all this time. I know he was not happy with the stats he was testing back in mid August. And it seemed he simply wanted to let go too.

One night.
How many incarnations do most mods go through? Do things fall neatly into place first time? I seem to remember testing version after version of SamWars.

12-07-2008 13:59:20 and receptonist calls my posts "static"
12-07-2008 13:59:30 the beginning of driving me out
12-07-2008 13:59:48 I'm not going to fight this.
12-07-2008 13:59:57 I'll do something else

Posting "degraded gameplay" is ok and acceptable, having a reply about "static" is not acceptable? If he is prepared to dish it out he should be prepared to take it as well, anything else is double standards.

**CBR** on Wed 08 Oct 2008, 22:36

BHCKingWarman88 wrote:I thought the game was supposed to be play for fun CBR?

Also, you think all the players, including myself, that was not up to Clan Takiyama's skill level or any other's player's skill level (the better ones), that you guys are going to ignore them and quit over it? Yes, Real Nice

If it is not fun for me to play then why should I keep playing it? For the sake of other players only?

We spent a considerable amount of time finding the right stats and costs to make a very good game. Seeing that in the hands of a couple of players who seemed incapable of changing from VI to Samwars, and I started wondering why I was spending my weekends on that.

CBR

**CBR** on Thu 09 Oct 2008, 00:40

^HUN^ wrote:
You know all too well that I quit Takiyama long before RTW appeared on the shelves, that sorry episode with a certain clan infiltrator finished any looks I had on your clan. I found out exactly what my so called clan leader thought of me, he preferred to side with an obvious infiltrator and you chose to sit on the fence. Nobody seemed to care if these decisions pained me, did they?

Your post on Mizus forum about leaving is from July 04, 2005

But yes that episode was absolutely horrible for us. I know Yuuki blamed himself for all of it but I do feel I had some of the blame too. The guy was IIRC not an infiltrator but a nasty personality that is the closest to a sociopath I think I have ever encountered.

Your clan leader was able to get away with a multitude of Troll posts without being pulled up for breaking rules. During past altercations he removed all his post content, so I'm not even interested in forum rule breaking. All I see are double standards and frankly, it's a joke.

He did break them and he did get a warning. Should the moderator have gone in earlier? Maybe I do not know as I rarely read the MP forums. I remember he deleted a lot of posts. There was nothing bad in them IIRC. He was pissed off at something, what it was I don't remember.

...I think you will recall you were invited to help with testing and we...that's you me and yuuki discussed it on MSN, so please, don't make out it was never mentioned. For quite some time we posted about test nights and had no response. You mention honourable behaviour, would it have been too much trouble to post that you were not interested? The abrupt silence leaves only one conclusion.

Ideally I should have told you so and technically it would not have been much trouble. That is an unfortunate part of my personality disorder: anything that resembles a "confrontation" with someone that is close to me and I avoid it...out of sight out of mind. On the internet it is even easier to avoid stuff. It was the main reason I "chose to sit on the fence" as you put it. For that I am really sorry Orda.

Before I close I'll ask you to reflect. Yes, we had some fun and for the most part with mods for VI. I particularly enjoyed your Community mod but getting a group of players to play mods can be hard work. Considering the players who went to the trouble of installing and playing these mods, I find it disappointing that Takiyama especially, are so loathed to reciprocate.

Well TBH I do not feel I owe anyone anything. I have been taking the time needed for testing and stat adjustments. I have been playing this from the start and through periods where we were only a handful (the hardcore group) of players on Sundays. You cannot honestly expect me or anyone else to help testing and keep playing something they just dont want to do anymore.

CBR

**CBR** on Thu 09 Oct 2008, 01:28

^HUN^ wrote:
One night.
How many incarnations do most mods go through? Do things fall neatly into place first time? I seem to remember testing version after version of SamWars.

Will you please cut him some slack. He is soon to move back to Germany. He has had other priorities.

Posting "degraded gameplay" is ok and acceptable, having a reply about "static" is not acceptable? If he is prepared to dish it out he should be prepared to take it as well, anything else is double standards.

I'd say there is a difference.

Just remember there is no single reason. From the harsh tone I sense, you already have made up your mind so it would be futile of me to tell you to ask him yourself.

CBR

**BHCKingWarman88** on Thu 09 Oct 2008, 15:21

CBR wrote:
BHCKingWarman88 wrote:I thought the game was supposed to be play for fun CBR?

Also, you think all the players, including myself, that was not up to Clan Takiyama's skill level or any other's player's skill level (the better ones), that you guys are going to ignore them and quit over it? Yes, Real Nice

If it is not fun for me to play then why should I keep playing it? For the sake of other players only?

We spent a considerable amount of time finding the right stats and costs to make a very good game. Seeing that in the hands of a couple of players who seemed incapable of changing from VI to Samwars, and I started wondering why I was spending my weekends on that.

CBR

Don't play then. But doesn't answer my question. So you mean that all players need to be Clan Takiyama And Friends skill level and if not, it is not fun? I can see lack of interest, but most of the time, there a reason behind the lack of Interest CBR.

We? Being Clan Takiyama or everyone involed in the mod?

Maybe Some People still like VI? plus, with a mindset of that, maybe that scared the VI players away?

I will still attend On Saturdays, no matter who shows up. Do what you will CBR.

**^HUN^** on Thu 09 Oct 2008, 16:44

CBR,
I mentioned R'as only in reply to what you posted ..."not happy with the stats he was testing back in August" ....merely pointing out that he tested on just one night, 3 games. I would not expect anyone to form such an opinion after only one night of testing. I expect he was very busy, I don't doubt that but I didn't mention him at all so I can't cut slack from something I didn't tighten.

I still see it as double standards when a person posts time and again, even in places that are not appropriate, yet gets upset at less than favourable response. Arrogant, aloof, conceited. Where is the justification for presuming degraded gameplay simply because Mongols were being activated? It is hardly surprising, at least to me, that such a remark would provoke retaliation.

I mentioned infiltrator because that is exactly what that individual was .... multi named even in his own clan and playing Takiyama for fools. He was exposed, I thought you knew that.
I understand what you say about your disorder, I myself tend to avoid people. I don't like towns and cities and I rarely even answer the phone, I am happiest when in some quiet place the further away from people the better. That does not alter the fact that I was let down. Me and Toda had to listen to a barrage of abuse, during a game after yuuki and that creep got caught out and routed. For the rest of the game we were accused of everything from lack of support to being useless but we won the game. I was very disappointed that yuuki chose to side with such a dispicable character so yes, it would be futile to ask me to speak to someone who treated me like shit.

When I asked you to reflect over past mods etc it was not my intention to suggest you or anyone else 'owed' anyone anything. I hoped you would be in a position to understand. You have already said how highly you regard beta 5 and 8 and a lot of people gave up a considerable amount of time to help achieve those stats.

I appreciate your apology. I hope you will agree that I have never shown any hostility towards you.
As for the future of this mod, I never expected it to attract a host of players, MP has different priorities now. That said, it really isn't that bad, I hope you try it some time.

**CBR** on Thu 09 Oct 2008, 17:16

BHCKingWarman88 wrote:Don't play then. But doesn't answer my question. So you mean that all players need to be Clan Takiyama And Friends skill level and if not, it is not fun? I can see lack of interest, but most of the time, there a reason behind the lack of Interest CBR.

We? Being Clan Takiyama or everyone involed in the mod?

Maybe Some People still like VI? plus, with a mindset of that, maybe that scared the VI players away?

I will still attend On Saturdays, no matter who shows up. Do what you will CBR.

Oh I'm sorry I misunderstood the last bit then.

No, anyone can play the mod and there has been a wide range of skill level already. Most players have developed their skill as they learned the mod. Now I had to check the logfiles to be sure and I did not see your name so you did not even encounter the players. Im sure others can remember that fake hunter_ichi player. I know others were not happy about him either so it is not just me being elitish or whatever you think.

We being Yuuki and I as that was who your post was directed at.

Fun is subjective and I know people have different expectations when playing a game. For me playing a 4v4 and knowing it will be ruined with either the silly deployment or massive cav charge from the same player over and over... well that is not fun to me. Had we been enough players then it would not have been a problem, but as we always tried to mix team to ensure both sides had a fighting chance it just became an endless stream of wasted games.

CBR

**^Glyndwr^** on Thu 09 Oct 2008, 19:04

^Glyndwr^ wrote:If by this you are referring to HUN, Marcus and myself I have to correct you on this. This forum was set up in Sept 2005 just before BI when the then Orda Khan, Marcus and Jochi Khan were playing RTW. Takiyama did not move over to RTW so we went out on our own.

CBR wrote:What I meant was how the Samwars discussion moved to this place instead. It seems it happened in July which is same time as it died out on Org.

To clarify some of the dates with/about this forum....

This forum ^Nomad Alliance^ has been in existance since Sept 2005 but on a different Server. Our original forum.
Due to problems with that Server it was decided to move to another Server but we had problems with the Server and the database. Not so easy to transfer all our forum over.
When creating a new forum back in April of this year, I had to manually copy all the posts from the older one to this new one and then asked all members, via email, to re activate their accounts. Marcus also had the task of copying all the information in the two Academy guides to this forum. (again, another lot of work)

If you look at earlier posts you can see the dates when first posted but all posts appear to be made by me from May 2008 onwards. It was not an easy task.

The forum was officially put online on the 15 June this year and the original one was deleted. (a condition of moving from one server to another)

The Samurai Warlords sub forum was set up back last year about mid to late August (when I was playing regularly) with the intention of promoting Samurai Warlords MP (check in the Samurai Warlords Beta5 MP. (General Discussion Topic)
All download links, Logo etc were posted with PM discussions with R'as (not to contravene copyright). R'as thanked me at the time for helping to spread the word as he said.

The fact that the Samurai Warlords discussions moved here may be because there was no further input by anyone else on .org. The fact that everyone who was playing at that time just stopped playing and also stopped posting.
We, at the ^Nomad Alliance^ did not ask for it to come here, it just arrived and we were happy to assist in the testing etc. etc.

Regarding this Topic...
There have been many questions asked and many answers given. Many points of view have been expressed. Agreements and disagreements voiced. Everyone has had their chance to say something. There should be no reason for any more imput.

As long as the discussions here remain civil and do not involve personalities this Topic will remain open.
It is intended for General Chat so keep it clean and non hostile.

**barocca** on Fri 10 Oct 2008, 19:46

CBR

you are not being given all the applicable information from Tosa,

i thank you for being candid with me, it is very refreshing,

by being open and truthful you have confirmed conclusions already drawn by me,
and that i have already discussed with others, others whose word i believe you would trust.

later today i will post an EndOfTopic here and at the Org.

From that time onwards i will flatly ignore any further commentary on the issue .

**barocca** on Fri 10 Oct 2008, 22:54

before i make my final comment on this issue i would like to point out one(1) small thing that was pointed out to me, in the online foyer, tonight(euro-time), while we were playing the mod.

At The Org in July -
the desync was fixed, the mongols re-activated, input was requested, the thread went silent,
the forum went silent,

from my worksite account i posted "seems some people dont want the mongols"
which was my opinion at that time, but is now a known fact;

i further posted "at least they are not filling the thread with static",

static = useless chatter/clutter/noise

"at least they are not filling the thread with static"
at least "they" were not wasting my time by filling the thread with useless posts, whinging and complaining,
instead "they" left the thread clean and clear.

i posted a backhanded thankyou, backhanded, but a thankyou nonetheless.

for saying "thank you for not wasting my time" from my known to admin worksite account i am being punished,
in the last week of september,
for a post made early in july? for a post that was seen by those concerned on the day?

BULL
- i am being punished for opinions voiced here.
B.

**BHCKingWarman88** on Sat 11 Oct 2008, 00:06

I wanted the Mongols, I always did ht_bow

**barocca** on Sat 11 Oct 2008, 05:59

my post at the Org.

in Australia when someone refuses to participate in a discussion, commentary or argument,
but instead flounces off into a corner and sulks we call that a Princess Tanty.

the reason this is posted in the public domain is in post#1 and post#9 of this thread. NOTE - see-thread-at-org
FURTHER > accusations are being made on private forums that I do not have access to and that many of you do not have access to.
ALL accusations are hereby answered in full.

there was no flame war

there is no "dodgy" undercover account

there is my main staff account which has been BROKEN since February,
and which I have been asking Tosa to FIX since FEBRUARY,

there is my worksite account that was put in place with TOSA's FORE-KNOWLEDGE & PERMISSION in May of 2007
to protect the org's admin passwords due to my worksite's keylogging and traffic capture policy.

there has been one previous instance where i had a worksite account, that was created many years ago just after TeraGate,
and again that was with TOSA's FORE-KNOWLEDGE & PERMISSION

the worksite account made no posts that would even gain a zero point warning under the org's forum rules.

At The Org in July 2008 -
the Samurai mod desync was fixed, the mongols re-activated, input was requested, the thread went silent,
the Samurai Forum went silent,

from my worksite account i posted "seems some people dont want the mongols"
which was my opinion at that time, but is now a Known Fact;

i further posted "at least they are not filling the thread with static",

static = useless chatter/clutter/noise

"at least they are not filling the thread with static"
at least "they" were not wasting my time, by filling the thread with useless posts, whinging and complaining,
instead "they" left the thread clean and clear.

i posted a thankyou, backhanded maybe -if you are a Princess and prone to Tanty's;
but that was a thankyou nonetheless.

I RECENTLY posted on an EXTERNAL forum that it seemed the others were sulking about me reactivating the mongol faction in my mod,
they had ceased to participate on any level.
THAT post did not actually NAME the clan, that post did not break any rules on the EXTERNAL forum.
and WOULD NOT break any rules had i posted it on the Org Forum EITHER.

Tosa and Clan Mizu/Takiyama would have you believe that for saying "thank you for not wasting my time" from my worksite account (known by/to Tosa) i am now being punished,
in the last week of september?
for a post made early in july??
for a post that was seen by those concerned on the day???

ABSOLUTE ROT - i am being punished for an opinion I voiced on a different website altogether - not for breaking Org's rules.
in order To convict me they had to invent a new crime.

This issue has been handled disgracefully by the Overseers here,

I cannot work for or under the current Mizu/Takiyama Overseers.

I will make no further comment on this issue while the Overseers responsible for my punishment remain at the Org.

The Org is no longer a place where Honour has value or meaning.
The Org is no longer a place for honourable warriors and players to congregate.

Barocca, Doragon.

**^HUN^** on Sun 12 Oct 2008, 01:10

The Org is no longer a place for honourable warriors and players to congregate.

True, but then it's not been a place for multiplayers to bother with for years.